pertained to my interest were that OpenXP has NNTP support, Winpoint doesn't.. and Winpoint has much better UTF-8 support. *shrug*
[...] OpenXP the interface to me is designed to be as
difficult to use as possible.
Sempoint is what I use as I can import the QWK packets from
BBS and access my local areas as well.
When I was reviewing point options, I was convinced that if FTN
was to have a future with users, then a GUI-type version was
the way to go. But then I was introduced to OpenXP - at first,
I was adamant that it wasn't going to work for me - but
surprisingly, its console-type operation turned out to be the
winner. OpenXP is a "journey" - but it's really quite intuitive
for the most part. Every screen or step in the process has a
related online help via [F1].
Sempoint was one of my GUI-type considerations too. But I
really think OpenXP has a much more powerful "database" system
for sorting/searching/managing posts.
The docs for both of them leave a lot to be desired though. I only
read english (and that poorly) so I never did winpoint to do
anything. OpenXP the interface to me is designed to be as difficult
to use as possible.
Sempoint is what I use as I can import the QWK packets from BBS and
access my local areas as well.
When I was reviewing point options, I was convinced that if FTN
was to have a future with users, then a GUI-type version was
the way to go.
Sempoint was one of my GUI-type considerations too. But I
really think OpenXP has a much more powerful "database" system
for sorting/searching/managing posts.
I would bang my head against the wall if the software I was using was changing/cutting off subject lines to only 24-25 characters. That's probably more related to some old shitty QWK restrictions than
anything else, though.
really think OpenXP has a much more powerful "database"
system for sorting/searching/managing posts.
Have you ever tried Multimail and if so how does it stack
up to this one?
Well if you would run a better BBS software that supported Bluewave
I could use those packets and not cut off the subject line. :)
Yeah that is a downfall to running something this old (SemPoint)
there is no way to upgrade it to support the new QWK extensions that
would solve that issue.
I'm not stuck with one package, I could switch to any software.
I would bang my head against the wall if the software I
was using was changing/cutting off subject lines to only
24-25 characters. That's probably more related to some old
shitty QWK restrictions than anything else, though.
Well if you would run a better BBS software that supported
Bluewave I could use those packets and not cut off the
subject line. :)
I believe Sempoint *does* support BWAVE packets.
I would prefer a console solution. I just can't get over
the interface of openxp. It's something I have looked at
more then once. :)
Sempoint was one of my GUI-type considerations too. But I
really think OpenXP has a much more powerful "database"
system for sorting/searching/managing posts.
It might yes. I just like the fact that sem is using
Squish so I can use any BBS tool to mess with the messages.
If you are inclined to revisit OpenXP, I might be able to help.
I needed help with it in the very beginning and got some fine
direction from a fellow in the XPOINT echo.
Now, most of the usage has become second nature.
I took a look at openxp this week, as I had some free time
to burn.
Must admit, I'm confused on getting around, but will have a
play. Looks like I could use it to test some stuff with
clrghouz and even as a message reader.
Does it do EMSI/ZModem? I couldnt get it to work. I did
have tcp/ip set, which I assume is just binkp? When I
changed it to telnet, it seems to just crash/abort.
I also like OpneXP's support for PGP signing and decryption,
and direct/crash netmail delivery.
But OpenXP is faster with direct connections to a BBS. I'm not
really interested in navigating the user interfaces on a bbs to
get to the QWK download/upload parts.
OpenXP also supports NNTP connections as well as SMTP/POP3
email if desired.
HAHA. I didn't realize you were pulling your QWK packets from here. :)
We've all dealt with it for this long, and it will never change with
all of the software out there that can't and won't be updated.
To be honest, I haven't heard a complaint about subjects being
shortened in quite some time, until I tried to stir the pot.
It's really not that big a deal. Use whatever works best for you. I
was just throwing a jab out there that ended up backfiring at me,
anyways. :)
I believe Sempoint *does* support BWAVE packets.
Accession wrote to Tiny <=-
Hello Tiny,
On Thu, Dec 19 2024 05:43:13 -0600, you wrote ..
Well if you would run a better BBS software that supported Bluewave
I could use those packets and not cut off the subject line. :)
HAHA. I didn't realize you were pulling your QWK packets from here. :)
Yeah that is a downfall to running something this old (SemPoint)
there is no way to upgrade it to support the new QWK extensions that
would solve that issue.
We've all dealt with it for this long, and it will never change with
all of the software out there that can't and won't be updated.
To be honest, I haven't heard a complaint about subjects being
shortened in quite some time, until I tried to stir the pot.
I'm not stuck with one package, I could switch to any software.
It's really not that big a deal. Use whatever works best for you. I was just throwing a jab out there that ended up backfiring at me, anyways.
:)
Regards,
Nick
... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
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Tiny wrote to Ogg <=-
I wrote a little program that with the push of a button it polls my
two HUBS, and downloads a QWK packet from Cranky Pants BBS. It's just perfect for me. One of my favorite Synchronet features is that FTP bit for offline mail. :)
Tiny wrote to Ogg <=-
I believe Sempoint *does* support BWAVE packets.
It does and does it well. However Synchronet does not.
I sure am! You're my only regular BBS and have been for a number of
months now.
LOL Your BBS is named "Cranky Pants" in my terminal for the odd
time I actually telnet over. The FTP feature you have for offline
mail is the "killer app" for me.
Laugh, which makes it all the sweeter my friend. :)
... One of my favorite Synchronet features is that FTP bit
for offline mail. :)
OpenXP also supports NNTP connections as well as SMTP/POP3
email if desired.
Does it have a QWK interface at all to import packets like
Sem?
Hmm, I've actually thought about adding PGP support to
clrghouz, but I've been held back by two things: * An easy
way to create/read PGP signed messages, openxp might be
easy, but not sure what PGP "doors"/"plugins" exist for
BBSes that most folks use? * A valid use case
I think using PGP would be a valid usecase for netmail
messages - since they are in the clear, and routed netmail
could be read by anybody in the path to the destination.
Not sure for echomail though - unless you wanted to sign
your message, but that doesnt really add that much more
value. (Like DNA, it would proove the same person authored
many messages, but doest proove who that person is until a
trusted authority validates it.)
I was thinking of creating a voting system - which you get
one vote and that is validated by a PGP signature, but if
nobody can generate signed messages (easily) its
pointless... (EG: Vote for an echoarea creation, etc)
That feature does rock - I have a batch file that downloads my
messages, runs MultiMail, uploads the reply packet and offers to
delete it.
FUN FACT: One of my messages is in the sample Bluewave packet that
comes with the reader.
Is that because of the whole conversation about shaking fists at the
clouds on back patios?
Yeah, I bet. I wrote that reply with a "teehee" grin on my face, too.
:)
I was thinking of creating a voting system - which you get
one vote and that is validated by a PGP signature, but if
nobody can generate signed messages (easily) its
pointless... (EG: Vote for an echoarea creation, etc)
Yes.. PGP signed messages could be a good way to validate
"official" votes over email.
Ogg wrote to deon <=-
Hello deon!
Hmm, I've actually thought about adding PGP support to
clrghouz, but I've been held back by two things: * An easy
way to create/read PGP signed messages, openxp might be
easy, but not sure what PGP "doors"/"plugins" exist for
BBSes that most folks use? * A valid use case
Doesn't really make sense to have PGP "doors" on a BBS. The
whole point of PGP-privacy is local control of block generation
and decryption.
Yes.. OpenXP can handle in-line PGP blocks in netmail quite
well. Based on the existence of the U,ENC flags in the
nodelist, encrypted netmails seem to be well supported in Z2,
but not anywhere else.
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